Neptune-Sun Relationships: Idealistic Soul Mate or the Biggest Liar Ever? (Applied Astrology)
Drying out the cauldron under the amazing, fast-growing azaleas that were planted 10 years ago and suddenly love me. Photo copyright by Lorna Tedder; all rights reserved.
After my first Neptune-Sun relationship ended, I became fascinated with what astrology tells us about this conjunction—to the point that I tried for the next 6 months to date nothing but men with the same birthday as the first. Let’s just say that this conjunction in synastry can be that good. Or…that bad.
What I discovered in looking at a variety of synastry charts is that Neptune conjunct Sun tends to go in one of two directions: either idealistic Shangri-la relationships or ones filled with deception, depending on which type of chart. I wish I’d known this before my second Neptune-Sun relationship!
Neptune has such, well…NEBULOUS…energy. It’s the planet of uncertainty, spirituality, idealism, deception, escapism, mysticism, fantasy, fogginess. It may not seem that idealism and deception could be represented by the same planet, but there are qualities of non-reality to all of these examples.
Based on the charts I’ve reviewed and the
relationships I’m aware of with this conjunction in synastry, if one person’s Sun conjuncts another’s Neptune in their natal charts, the result seems to be a “Fantasy Island” relationship. This is the idealistic, hazy, soul mate relationship. It can be highly spiritual. It tends to be idealistic and somewhat surreal. It’s definitely ungrounded. You see each other in such an idealized, perfect way that you’re not really sure the other person is who you think or instead is a dream. This is romance novel perfect love. As a friend pointed out to me when I was in such a relationship, it was like being on a luxury vacation, a once-in-a-lifetime feeling—or a feeling that it can happen only once in a lifetime.
This particular brand of Neptune-Sun relationship occurred only when natal charts were compared, not in Composite or Davidson charts. In the natal charts, we can see how each individual both projects and reacts to the other. It’s not so much about the relationship as how the individuals relate, and there is usually some element of heavenly bliss between the two. I’ve witnessed a few of this kind of relationship where the couple is caught up in bliss that just gets better every year, and it’s hard to believe how long they’ve been together and sustained the beautiful fantasy they live in. It is, I think, the ultimate in romantic love. The deception, if any, is small or either could be classified perhaps as self-deception.
The Composite and Davidson charts are more about the relationship itself, and from what I’ve seen, it’s often the ultimate in romantic deception. The Composite chart is made up of midpoints of the plants of each individual, creating a chart of an unreal time and place, but representing how the relationship looks to others. The Davidson chart is based on the mid-point in birth time and place, and represents how the relationship actually is. For this reason, I prefer the Davidson chart when I want to know what’s really going on between two people, but both charts are useful.
The most shocking case of deception I have ever experienced in a relationship personally was one where there was an almost exact Sun and Neptune conjunction in our Davidson chart while in our Composite Mid-Point method, the Sun was in exact opposition to Neptune. I have charted several other relationship where the positions are reversed—an opposition in the Davidson chart and a conjunction in the Composite Mid-Point chart—but there was that same odd blend of idealism and extreme deception. Both wanted the other to be something he or she was not. This seems to be true of all Neptune-Sun relationships I’ve studied when these conjunctions or oppositions are found in a combined chart.
If you find yourself in a Neptune-Sun relationship, keep your feet on the ground or risk losing your head. Sometimes, though, it’s worth it.
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I have this Synastry with the guy I like. We have Suns conjunct each other’s Neptunes, both ways!!
Hmnnn I have this guy who’s sun is conjucnt my neptune in the first house synastry and I always see him in rose colored glasses my natal neptune is in my first house. Reading astrology, I found out he also has Saturn and Jupiter in my 12th house while I have Saturn and Jupiter is in his 1st house– Im not sure abt the degreee if it’s correct or idk I maybe wrong. And also my South node is in exact .10 conjunction with his moon.
I meant not rose colored glasses, instead blurred colored glasses, can’t trust him and always on the verge of giving him up. Even if he is actually saying he’s being a nice guy.
*sigh* I knew it was too good to be true -_- , but I love him in my life so to speak.
Even before I researched this aspect more in depth, I’ve learned to keep him where he fit comfortably. That way my hopes aren’t too high while we’re both still on our toes. Disappointment won’t be intertwind with blind faith this time, although this aspect creates immense confusion!
Hi, maybe you know something about Sun-Neptune squares too? My Sun in Pisces is square my partner’s Neptune in Sagittarius, and his Sun in Libra is Square my Neptune in Sagittarius. I’ve been reading dreadful things about the sun-Neptune square in the synastry, but I can’t understand what applies to whom when it goes both ways. Any ideas? Thank you in advance!
Great post. First time i found something solid on Neptune Synastry.
What happens when the Ascendant and/or the moon is involved instead of the sun?
For example:
My new ‘romantic interest’ and i have this strange DOUBLE WHAMMY synastry between our Neptunes, Moons, ASC/DSC axes, and 1-7 houses.
His Libra ASC (21) and my Libra DSC (29) are conjunct natally.
His Neptune is at 7 Scorpio and my neptune at 13 Scorpio.
His moon at 0 Taurus and my moon at 16 Scorpio
So,
My 1st house overlays his 7th house and vice versa.
His moon is conjunct my ASC within 1 degree.
His Ascendant/Neptune mid point is on my Descendant within 1 degree.
My Descendant/Neptune mid point is on his Neptune within 1 degree. (also, my Descendant/moon mid point is on his Neptune within 1 degree)
My 7th house neptune is conjunct my own 7th house moon (3 degrees)
His 1st house neptune is opposite his own 7th house moon (6 degrees)
In the composite, our 4th house Neptune squares our 7th house moon.
What could this interplay mean? What is your opionion? (BTW this guy and i have plenty of other significant synastry markers including a Eros-Psyche conjunction double whammy.)
Thank you
My Neptune is conjunct my daughter’s Sun in late Virgo. We were extremely close when she was growing up, and she was my spiritual companion. We lead very different lives now, as we discovered we are very different, but when we are together the old magic sometimes will come back and we will blend into each other beautifully.
Moon opp Neptune ain’t so hot, either.
Just sayin’.
I’m very wary of this aspect. There’s a Sun quincunx Neptune in our Composite but it doesn’t show up in Davison so I’m not sure whether to put emphasis on this aspect. In synastry we have a minor aspect – biquintile.